Namely, my representative people in the world. Jon: That doesn't happen in Jewish culture, right?Tim: It did happen in Jewish culture. Jon: So, can I buy some meat from a pagan temple? But he also believed that the universe had multiple levels and was filled with spiritual beings. For us, there is one God (theos), Once Christ defeated all of his enemies, including death, he would turn creation over to God, so that God would be “all in all” (1 Corinthians 15:20–28; Romans 8:18–25). In Paul’s theology, the human achievement of Jesus was important because his obedient fidelity to his vocation gave moral and redemptive value to his self-sacrifice. Paul employed the language of righteousness and faith when he was using the story of Abraham to argue that circumcision was no longer necessary. Man: This is (man) from Raleigh, North Carolina. Once you print out, it's a little poem. Muslim views. The language that was more natural to him when he wished to describe the believer’s transfer from the power of sin to the power of Christ, however, was dying with Christ, being baptized into him, and becoming one person with him. It's actually an important distinction. He sounds very Jewish right there. This absolutist ethical view—those in Christ are to be morally perfect; those not in Christ are extremely sinful—was not always true in practice, and Paul was often alarmed and offended when he discovered that the behaviour of his converts was not what he expected. But anyways. They just actually put the word. Jon: That's fascinating. Muslims have long believed that Paul purposefully corrupted the originalrevealed teachings of Jesus,[191][192][193]through the introduction of such elements as paganism,[194]the making of Christianity into a theology of the cross,[195]and introducing … Tim: But he doesn't. Dan Gummel, Jon Collins, Matthew Halbert-Howen, Show Music: Paul sometimes shows knowledge that “the Christ” was a title, not a name, but more commonly he referred to Jesus as “Jesus Christ,” “Christ Jesus,” or even “Christ,” as in Romans 6:4: “Christ was raised from the dead.” In all these cases, “Christ” is used as if it were part of Jesus’ name. Jon: He's the image. Super widespread. • Episode 20, God Q&R 3 - Questions About Jesus' Identity. This movement was founded by Jim Wallis, Tony Compolo, Brian McLaren, and Shane Claiborne. Our video on God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAvYmE2YYIU&t=1s. 1 Corinthians 8:6, it's the Shema Jesus style. Because it seems like what he's saying when he says firstborn of all creation, it's not like God had a bunch of kids and Jesus was the oldest. So that's a category already. Tim: Oh, Israel is the son of God. so that he might have first place in everything. He just said up above, there is no god but one. Nevertheless, he goes on to contrast Jesus’s attitude with that of the apostle Paul. But if you take every single number, that's an infinite set of numbers, right? That's first born up there. Jon: Paul was a first century Jew, and like all of his family before him, he would daily recite the Shema, which goes like this: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God, the Lord is one." Tim: None in the New Testament. Paul stands on the other side of the cross and resurrection and is able to see…that what was being accomplished in Jesus’ life was incomplete part from the cross and empty tomb. There are so many weird things with infinity. Exodus 4, Israel is my firstborn son. The entry on the divine name in the dictionary of ancient biblical Hebrew has a whole long entry on every single piece of evidence for the pronunciation of the divine name. Then he goes on to quote from the Old Testament book of Joel. And one day, once my parents are gone, it'll just be me. and we exist for Him; One is the Father, the other is Jesus Messiah. Jon: In a metaphoric way he did. It was a lot of ideas ago. It's interesting because again, he doesn't argue for the case. So in Paul's view it is the messianic identity of Jesus that is an important new element in this very traditional Jewish message and now there's one other element. No ultimate creator and ruler, except the one God." Happy Thanksgiving. Death with Christ gave “newness of life” in the present and guaranteed being raised with him in the future (6:4–5). In part three (22:10-end), Tim outlines Colossians 1:15-20: And He is the image of the invisible God, The Messianic Shema. 3:22), lays the foundation for unity within the church. Tim: Which is to say Jesus is Lord. This episode continues our series on God as a character in the Bible. Then he attaches matching phrases to each. Paul employed both “Christ” and “ Son of God” freely, and he is also responsible for the widespread use of “Christ” as if it were Jesus’ name rather than his title. Paul regarded his converts not only as individuals who had been freed from sin but also as organic members of the collective body of Christ. It's the beginning of Gospel of Luke series. Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God, the Lord is one. Jon: Is the firstborn of God. Jon: That's interesting because that phrase "all things have been created through him and to himself" in... was it Romans we were looking at? His first warning is 8:4. He needed to engage in mission because the fundamental sin of human beings is the failure to honor and praise God. It factors into something, like some formulas and things. This gospel was not preached during Jesus’ earthly ministry or by the Twelve. What Paul meant by “Christ” and “Son of God” cannot be known with certainty. Jon: Or wouldn't it be nice if he would have said Jesus is Yahweh? So Jesus is Lord. It's one of these things where when we're talking about the complex unity of the God of the Bible, one plus one equals one. (“Righteousness” and “justification” translate the same Greek word, dikaiosynē.). It makes sense why he's using poetry to explain this, because how else...there's no language adequate. He is the beginning before all things, and in him, all things hold together. Most frequently, however, the verb means “to put one’s entire confidence and trust in Christ,” as in Galatians 2:20: “the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God.”, In Galatians and Romans the phrase “be justified by faith in Christ, not by doing the works of the law” is used to oppose the view of some Christian missionaries that Paul’s Gentile converts should become Jewish by accepting circumcision and Jewish law. Thanks for joining us. The question was whether his Gentile converts would have to accept those parts of the Jewish law that separated Jew from Gentile. Jon: For me, it's like, "What?". Jon: I would love to talk to a mathematician about the infinity things because I'm wondering is how they would explain it exactly. And He is head of the body, the church; Tim: Correct. In short, Paul was a charlatan, an evangelical huckster who succeeded in twisting Jesus’ message of love into something Jesus himself would never recognize. Paul describes Jesus as the first fruits of the resurrection for His time in history, and subsequently this resurrection is made available for all of humanity from Adam on down for those who are in Jesus. Tim: Yeah. Hi I’m Support Bot! Jesus is Lord, and if you trust in His death and resurrection for you, you're on the Jesus team.". Jon: We do, in fact.Tim: We have a lot of shelf space for that idea.Jon: We've got two big shelves at least. Because by means of him, all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible thrones, dominions, rulers or authorities. This episode was edited and produced by Dan Gummel, music by Tae the Producer and the intro music is by the band Tents. But it's not something you can understand. Jon: There is one God, the Father. In one breath, this is one sentence. He just assumes it as if it's just the thing. People have natural life first; that is, they are born into this earth and live here. Jewish tradition by this time, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures has been available for a couple of centuries now. Let's try and make an argument. However, if Jesus's view of the Pharisees as lax about the Law is correct (and who can deny our Lord's veracity! Even Jesus, after His baptism when the heavens opened and the Spirit of God descended upon Him as a dove, and the voice from heaven cried out, “This is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased”…immediately after that, Jesus was plunged into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil…to fast and to pray for 40 days. For the chronology of Paul’s ministry, there are also some extra-biblical data: According to Josephus, Herod Agrippa I was made ruler of... By signing up for this email, you are agreeing to news, offers, and information from Encyclopaedia Britannica. He needed to engage in mission because human beings are separated f… Tim: Yeah. Instead, Paul’s stance on Jesus actually predates the accounts. It's in his 1 Corinthians 8 when he's writing them about food sacrificed to idols. Read Acts chapter 9. There are transcriptions of it. So think about how this works. Mere repentance is not enough to permit escape from the overwhelming power of sin. Let's take to heart this description from Paul and remind ourselves today that were it not for Christ's agape love toward us, we would not be able to offer it faithfully to others. He's made a little messianic Jesus style Shema prayer right here. 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