I think she is married to ocerios anyway. Flame God Flann gets mentioned very little in Dark Souls - in fact, only once that I can recall, that being the description on the Ring of the Sun Princess. A look at Gwynevere, Princess of Sunlight, and the woman behind the illusion few ever knew. Because I think he was just there to say "gwynevere is not in anor londo. Gywndolin, with his serpentine legs and moon sorcery, perhaps was gifted to Seath for used in his experiments due to his feminine aspects. I don't see the Fillianore/New Londo connection, it's because she was given to the pygmies? Gwyn led the Gods in a war against the Dragons. Still, I doubt that Gwynnevere died at the birth of Bed of Chaos. We know that the flames began to fade, but we are never told why (correct me if I'm wrong). Amazing chest ahead XD . Flame God Flann/Gwynevere (Dark Souls) Gwynevere (Dark Souls) Flame God Flann; Lord's Blade Ciaran; The Nameless King; Lord Gwyn; Dark Sun Gwyndolin; Summary. "The Princess of Sunlight Gwynevere left Anor Londo along many other deities, and later became wife to Flame God Flann." That mean he successfully extended the age of fire for quite a while. First, let's go back to the story we already know from DkS1: From the way you put it, it sounds like gwyn sacrifices himself after all this crazy shit went down, but gwyn became a lord of cinder as opposed to ash. At this point Gywn is beyond desparate. If you consider what would occur when a God of Flame meets a Goddess of Fertility... One of the central questions of Dark Souls has always been why would the Nameless King, who seems to be the head of the most honorable covenent in the game, turn on his father and join with the enemy he spent most of his life trying to destroy. She may or may not have died. I just think he must've had a plan. Add to that that Gwyndolin appears to now have snakes/tenticle legs and considering the Picassa, as well as basic proximity, I think there is a stong argument to be made for a connection there. Flame God Flann. Either before or after this, Seath goes mad and Gwyndolin leaves him to return to Anor Londo and using the magical skills he has learned from Seath either creates or expands the illusion of the city. Anyway, just got a little excited about the possibilities of Dark Souls 2 and its potential of being a prequel etc. Gwynevere left Anor Londo with the other deities AFTER Gwyn gave himself to the first flame tho. The reason Gwyndolin is so weird is because he was born with an affinity of the moon, was raised as a daughter and has a … Anyway, I believe that Flann has played a role in the lore leading up to DkS3. I remember discarding him as rather irrelevant, but when I thought a bit further regarding the speculative relationship between Seath, Priscilla, Gwynevere and of course Seath being a trusted friend of Lord Gwyn, something hit me. If he was why did Gwyn have to sacrifice himself and why did Flann leave with the other Gods? That's adding an awful lot I don't think you need to add. I think Gwyndolin and his ring combined with Seath wanting to experiment on women he kidnaps is a rabbit hole worth going down, given the Moonlight Greatsword makes Seath the grandfather of magic and Gwyndolin being a caster who uses magic buffed by faith. Therefore I think gwyn sacrificed himself after the bed of chaos was born but before Anor londo was abandoned by the gods. We don't even ACTUALLY know what Gwynevere looked like, only that she apparently left Anor Londo to marry "Flame god Flann" at some point, and Gwyndolin created an illusion of both her and a bright sun in the world. I am not saying it was ceaseless (I'm also not saying it wasn't...) but I have considered that. Fextralife forums | RPGs, Elden Ring, Nioh, Sekiro, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne, and more Something hit me recently, and the only reason it did is because I rewatched some of ENBs lore videos. But that's my read and I can understand disagreement. I believe she is probably a descendent of Gwynevere (either directly or of the same 'soul' in this cycle) but I don't think she personally is the same person and still around. This leads me to believe he is simply a … The architecture is similar to that of Anor Londo (if very destroyed, which makes sense since this takes place much later). Flann is probably the slug under Gwynevere in the deacon cathedral. Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:38 pm. So I'm guessing that Gwynevere is actually normal sized. And the sisters did survive after all, so it doesn't need to be that she "died" but that the union went...poorly. Commander #1. A community dedicated to everything about Dark Souls 3. Was Flann keeping those flames alive and did Seath and/or Gwyn do something to really shake his salad? I do personally believe that "Heide" is a new name that was devised for the now ancient Flame God Flann and it was him and Gwynevere who founded the now sunken city. The fire begins to fade. But then there was fire, and with fire came disparity. Gwynevere left Anor Londo first and THEN met flame god flann and married him. We just assume that everything dies at some point. I discuss that here: http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/From+Berserk+to+Bloodborne. Flann, later known as the Spear God was the biological younger brother of the Current Martial King of the One-Horned Tribe hailed as its strongest and one of the Five Martial Gods of Cheonghwado and its co-founder together with his best friend, The Sword God. The Kings of New Londo fall to the Abyss and the city is flooded to stop them and Gwyn, now truely alone with enemies encroaching on all sides, links the flame to attempt to extend the current Age of Fire. Reply. Obsessed. Vored trans princess :(. Flann wished to be wed to Gwynevere but Gwyn would not allow it, which plunged the two empires into war when Gwynevere fled her fathers kingdom to side with Flann. It would make sense since Lothric is a completely pro-firelinking society (at least before the youger prince's change of mind), and Flann was the god of flame. You can't screw Illusions. If Ocerious inherited from a Flame God, you would think there would be more...flame. Was Flann part of that plan and did Gwyn royally burn his brownie? This slightly warm ring boosts the synergy of miracles. "You'll be coming with me, Dark Lord." (I think) Reply. And so a schism in the ranks occured, a Civil War during which the Nameless King joined with the Dragons. The way I interpret it, all Gods are "Flame Gods". Johnthethird. Was Flame God Flann the sole reason or hope for the continued existence of Age of Fire? She is still around and having kids in dark souls 3 and has manipulated entire kingdoms to be built around the idea of linking the flame. Obsessed. ThatGuyImortal Jul 24, 2019. 309. A mod I've been working for 3 months so far with 3 good peeps. Reply. I don't personally buy into the Gwynevere being the Queen. I believe that in Lordran, there are lords, and gods. There's speculation and stuff like "Oceiros is Flame God Flann and he killed Gwynevere," "Velka got what she wanted," etc. Seath was kidnapping women, including Gwyneveres own handmaids. All i have to say is... poor Gwyndolin... they didn't deserve what happened. One of the new boss fights that await you in the Ds3 Archthrones mod: coming... when its done. But lets take a moment to consider how or why this would happen, and why an illusion would be kept to hide it. The obvious being the First Flame itself, and the second being through pyromancy, in all of it's various incarnations. so it could have been possible that (referring to VaatiVidya's theory on heide's tower of flame) that flann had already created heide's tower and then gwynevere came along after and added the style of anor londo in the form of the cathedral of blue. So maybe she was the reason of Bed of Chaos, but she survived and escaped. Ornstein, who protects Gwynevere, is present. Gwyn, seeking a way to stop this makes a deal with the Witch of Izalith for an arraigned marriage they believe will be able to rekindle the first flame and extend the age of fire. This took about 3 months to put together. - Page 2. A nice coincidence with Heide's Tower of Flame. By the way, my Dark Souls pet peeve would be 'Gwyndolin was born with snake legs'. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Flanny-boy?" Plus you - #146593944 added by tiltaz at [Dark Souls] Are you alright, m' lady A land of gray crags, Archtrees and Everlasting Dragons. Nah, never was a "central" question for first (some side story yes, not central) and it's not really a question: NK hunted dragons and thought it was a good thing to do, then he found out about Midir, realized hypocrisy of the situation and ran away to atone his past deeds against the dragons. I dont think flann is important. But they are seperate. We know his oldest daughter married a "Flame God", but we know more or less nothing about him. More the Abyss and Kaath, since we see all of the Primordial Serpent statues. Souls: 0.00 . Then Flann passed away, leaving his title to someone else, probably Oceiros. Heat and cold, life and death, and of course, light and dark. The Nameless King (dead)- god of lightning Gwynevere (unknown)-goddess of sunlight Filianore (dead)-unknown Gwyndolin (dead)-god of moonlight Flame God Flann (unknown)-god of fire Nameless Blacksmith Deity (dead)-god of smithing Caitha (unknown)-goddess of tears Galib (unknown)-god of disease Kremmel (unknown)-god of struggle Since Lothric is the last cycle and it includes all the previous ages, I'm more inclined to believe that Gwynevere left Anor Londo together with Flann in Ds1, and they eventually ended up in Lothric in Ds3, where Flann founded Lothric's Kingdom and Castle. I think from just wanted a placeholder with a cool name. :> Reply. That one is fake" we only hear his name once and thats it. I know we haven't got any more evidences he wasn't. That, or Flann is the God of boring, conventional flames and not awesome life-giving Flames. FINISHED. MentalCrash Jul 24, 2019. Also, there is room for a lot of confusion because we don't know what flame he is a God of. Gomp - Co mod creator and founder Spoongus - Models and design works. With their p… Flann had his arms crossed, a frown marring his face, he knew that aura even if he couldn't tell from sight alone. The real Gwynevere is currently not in Lordran, having married to the flame god Flann. What about this? Who is he? Dark Souls 1 is the story of Gwyn, this is the story of those who followed. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. And seeing all of this, the Nameless King and his knights, including Havel the Rock, could not stand by and support his Father's decisions, or even support continuing to extend the age of fire. For Dark Souls Remastered on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Where's the real Gwynevere?" The Witch of Izalith and two of her daughers have become the Bed of Chaos...suddenly there are the more immediate danger of the demons. Coolio! "In the Age of Ancients, the world was unformed, shrouded by fog. Nito, the first of the dead, the Witch of Izalith, and her Daughters of Chaos, Gwyn, the Lord of Sunlight, and his faithful knig… Flame God Flann gets mentioned very little in Dark Souls - in fact, only once that I can recall, that being the description on the Ring of the Sun Princess. Especially considering the existence of Priscilla. The place to discuss Dark Souls II. ). So at this point I think we can say with pretty good certainty that Gwyn was willing to give his youngest to the Pygmies as a sacrifice of some sort. Do you really wanna start this? Then Flann passed away, leaving his title to someone else, probably Oceiros. :V But I think Gwyndolin would have more appeal. It seems reasonable to believe Flann would need to be connected to one of these two, so lets explore both. The Nameless king briefly returned after his father's death to place "Sunlight Blade". It would make sense since Lothric is a completely pro-firelinking society (at least before the youger prince's change of mind), and Flann was the god of flame. They came from the Dark, much like Humans, and four powerful individuals were changed, for they found the Souls of Lords near the flame. Priscilla I think was an experiment who escaped and was protected in the painting. "The Princess of Sunlight Gwynevere left Anor Londo along many other deities, and later became wife to Flame God Flann.". Flame God Flann/Gwynevere (Dark Souls) Gwynevere (Dark Souls) Flame God Flann; Lord's Blade Ciaran; The Nameless King; Lord Gwyn; Dark Sun Gwyndolin; Summary. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/From+Berserk+to+Bloodborne. Gwyn, Lord of Sunlight, the Witch of Izalith, The Furtive Pygmy, and Nito, the First of the Dead: these four beings thus became the first and most powerful out of the other beings that lived in the world, known from that time as the Lords. (silly theory, just spewing it out in case it sticks). That simple. It's a place of discussion after all though. The wedding of Gwynevere and Flann is swiftly approaching. but there's no definitive answer for this. The Princess of Sunlight left Anor Londo along with many other deities, and later became wife to Flame God Flann. Since she could have been related to Lothric in the recent times, to have her heavenly children spread her influences. Also keep in mind that gwynevere likely had a LOT of husbands and children over the years. He is still alive...sadly. Players can equip up to 2 Rings, but equipping two of the same item is not possible. The group of five enjoy a well deserved party, and with the alcohol permeating their brains, the Dragonslayer leads dear Eira to his room. Flame God Flann is a mentioned character in Dark Souls. Fillianore, his youngest, we find in the Ringed City, which I think a strong argument can be made was connected to New Londo, and area which had to be flooded and destroyed to stop the spread of the Abyss. But it seems pretty unnatural. But what I never thought about was the difference between the founders and the people occupying it, unless I am totally misinterpreting your second idea. Then from the dark, they came, and found the Souls of Lords within the flame. Posts: 309. Things begin to get heated. Imagine this narrative. Turning against his family...I think it will take more than finding a nice dragon...which there is no indication that he did as I am not aware of any connections of NK to the Ringed City. Gwynevere married the Flame God Flann after she left with the rest of the gods. 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